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7j uh who's going to lead us off Mr Smith I'm going to turn it over to Mr
marshburn he's the expert on this good morning Commissioners and I'm we'll turn it over real quick but I just want to
tell you thank you and you tasked us with putting a master plan together and Brian and Corey from Providence Partners
is here today to show you an exciting plan that we've come up with so I'm going to turn it over to
them and let him go to it morning morning appreciate the
opportunity to be here and have been happy to work with Thomas and uh Brian and uh the manager and Todd so I
appreciate uh you guys' interest in this project um so when we started to get
involved here a few months ago I think one of the biggest things that we've talked about the whole time is uh the vision of what this park uh can be I
think when you talk about a project that's 350 Acres um this is not going to be your average soccer complex um so
this is a pretty large facility so we've uh worked with staff and a of the the
members here to create a vision statement um I'll refrain from reading it um I don't like to read from the
slides um but when you think about what we're trying to put together here and what the vision is we're trying to
capture something that's representative of uh the community here that will leave a lasting Mark and be a place that
people can ultimately come and spend their time um a few of the other high high
level items that we've talked about that this park will support would be your school systems um there are programs
that are maybe under utilized or don't have a place to go right now I think cross country was one that we talked
about for Middle School um providing a a a class a pool facility that'll be
inside and year round um I think when you talk about a park of this size to
not only serving the public side of things but the private side of things I think you're going to Garner a lot of interest from from folks that are
looking to uh have you know birthday parties or large soccer tournament
events or baseball tournaments um I think there's going to be some opportunities on the turf fields that
have all the markings to provide exposure to sports that maybe aren't as locally accessible like your LaCrosse or
your field hockey I think there's going to be opportunities that may not exist um here in the county and you know when
you when you talk about a a landmark like what you'll see in phase two at the
water mark uh the Water Park there's um garnered interest I think from the
adjacent Economic Development opportunities that are going to happen um with the amount of people that can
physically fit in this park and the people that will come to this park from in and around Davidson County and even
Beyond um so when we met with the board or not the board Theiss the commission
or the I think there was a committee yeah the parks and rec commission there's a few questions about where the
site actually was um so what you'll see here is um a Google Earth with some of
your local landmarks that are defined the quickest way to get here and I think just in English youd take exit 91 and
head south about 10 miles um it's just behind Southmont Elementary School um
cornered in right there at Highway 8 and H Rock
Lake I think I think it's important to note I think the fire station right
there is only a mile away so one of the things that we think about when we're
talking about a project of this size is your emergency services um I think having something that's that close that
accessible um is a is a key
point so as we look regionally you'll see some of your communities that are within Davidson County highlighted here
and they're oate travel times so you're looking anywhere from 10 to 25 I think
30 minutes probably on a bad day depending on which way you go is what I was seeing uh when I was plugging these communities in
um and as we talked I think the intent of a 350 Acre Site is to be able to draw
in larger groups um there's large soccer um organizations that will travel around
to places that are similar um and host L
um you know they're from their side of things it's privatized so it's a moneymaking opportunity where they need
a place to go to have their their tournaments um so there are some of the
larger cities that are within a 200 mile radius there in the red and then a 400 mile radius in the
green so to talk specifically about the site um North is actually to your left
here so it's rotated 90 degrees um counterclockwise from what
you would see it on a map you can see the school that'ss there the property is listed on GIS is just under six uh 360
Acres zoned ra2 the park would be developed by right and there's a few zoning uh requirements uh that are in
you all's ordinance that we need to adhere to um I think most notably the
100 foot activity setback um is important when you think about the scope
of what's going on in the lighting for the field so at a minimum all these recreational activities will be
happening 100 ft from the adjacent properties and in the the white area
there when we looked at the preliminary grading the areas in white are what will actually be disturbed so the areas that
are showing up as treed that you can see in the background will remain treed um
unless you choose to add something else in there um there's an existing cell
tower an existing Creek um and one you know I think it's important to mention
again that the lighting I think it's full cut off or directional lighting so
you're not going to get any light pollution towards your property lines that would um be detrimental to the adjacent
homeowners it's mostly residential with exception of the school um and it is within the Watershed District so there
are some Max built upon area requirements um but we are well with under those well under those thresholds
when you look at the size of the parcel so it's my understanding that
this project we're talking about is going to be split up into phases there's a phase one that I believe you guys are
already aware of and a phase two the phase one area is shown on the screen
here um comes as the four basketball courts inside the Sports plex which is
in that location there in the light blue um I believe Brian will talk to you
about it in a minute but I think he said it's about half the size of a Walmart um so for scale that's kind of
what you're thinking um plenty of room for indoor activities there'll be a disc golf course up in the upper right um
there's a small parking lot that we would provide there so that would you know essentially just be built on
existing grade um and be a natural area for those folks there's eight soccer
fields that you're seeing here I believe the plan for two of those to be Turf including the Showcase field which would
be this one that one would have a set of bleachers and we'll show up it again in your slides uh with a rendering uh
several playgrounds which are the blue square or the I'm sorry the purple squares that you're seeing um and the
red squares are restroom facilities and pedestrian Pavilions um there's
approximately 2 and 1/2 acre mile walking Track that you'll see in brown it kind of comes around this way and is
uh it goes around the perimeter mostly but in the high pedestrian areas um
we've envisioned the paved like a con a wider 11 or 12T wide concrete path to be
incorporated in that walking trail um in the areas on the outskirts I think it would be great to incorporate the cross
country course that would parallel your more accessible walking trail so that
parents and people coming to see the Cross Country Events could see those as well
um some of the less flashier improvements that would been included in
phase one uh are your parking areas that you see there in Orange uh the associated field lighting things like
the seating and the um Turf for the actual fields are obviously going to be
included um mask rating for phase two which is these areas in blue I think it's important
again to note the size of this project um in order to to prepare the land in a
way that would uh easily facilitate future development and to make sure that
the dirt balances going ahead and doing all of your land disturbing activity within phase one is currently the plan
um there's a few uh notable items to talk about believe this
is on the next slide on the access a partiel of this size we've got three access points um one is on the North
side up there is access one or it's plan North here uh access one from Owen Road
um access two from Riverwood road on the left hand side and then Beckner road on the bottom um parks are really difficult
to perform what's called a TIA uh those will typically come to you all for your
larger earnings for subdivisions a traffic impact analysis um it's it's
tough to say the demand the traffic demands that are going to be increased on the
adjacent roads because your Peak traffic is going to be different your larger events are going to be on your weekends
and tias are generally based upon your peak hour 7 to n during the week and 4
to six in the evenings during the week um looking at some adjacent Parks I
think just physically getting people in and out these are some of the improvements that you'll see if you were
to look at a similar part of this side you're going to look for left and right turn Lanes into access one off of Owen
Road which would be your featured entrance uh it's probably would be uh median IED with exit lanes turning left
and right can you use your porn and show where that Owens Road access is yeah it's up here access one okay um so as
you're coming down Highway 8 um it feel feel you know it feels more natural and
it's easier to get to access one is was the reason for the designation the the second access there is access to on the
left side or true north side of the property um I think uh ushering traffic into access
one is going to be the preferred option so at access two I'm envisioning just a left turn lane that would be needed we
haven't contacted do to to uh talk about if a formal TI will be required these
are just trying to give you guys a ballpark of what you're going to be looking at no pun intend it
um access three that's uh really going to provide you more access to your
baseball fields uh there's this parking lot here um so if someone were coming
let's just say specifically for baseball and they were local to the area they could come around this way but I think
it serves as a really good emergency access you'll notice there's a few more additional uh single family homes here
so you we're going to be a little bit constrained on how wide we can make that access I think it would still serve well
to be paved um but that would be sort of your um emergency uh emergency valve if
all these other accesses are clogged up will you point out parking
lots uh the parking lots are going to be in Orange we got okay okay so all right
that's brown to me so I'm sorry Brown I'm I'm good either way okay when you
look at sort of the how we chose to lay this park out there's a yellow spine Road it's a little bit harder to see
yellow mustard um whichever um but the intent
was here for the main traffic to be pushed away from the high pedestrian corridors so and I don't want to mention
that because again with the volume of kids I think it's 1300 people that would potentially be in this water park or the
quad area that we're calling it Sports plex we wanted to concentrate the actual traffic flow away from the areas
where that there are going to be kids running around that may you know I've got a 2-year-old I can only watch him so
much So eventually I'm going to look down at my phone so when you think about the security of this and the way that it
gets built out uh should you choose to Value engineer out some parking you
would build it off of the spine Road and and keep keep the quick Ingress and
egress away from your your high pedestrian corridors uh one feature that we wanted
to incorporate was a roundabout right here um there so this is would be right
beside your showcase field which would be the field with the bleachers the sign you know we envisioned some sort of
enhanced signage that would potentially go in the roundabout like you saw on the first slide uh um that would sort of
announce that you're here I think it would make for some great um some great
pictures um and a place to put some wayfinding information um as you're
trying to get around here um I think that's pretty much it on the
park access they're just highlighting those three different accesses and Brian's
going to talk to you a little bit more about the buildings themselves and what you can expect phase
two thank you course Brian you you said something while ago or there was something mentioned that it'd be about
the size of a Wallmart a half about a half a Walmart yeah I was going to say that's that's Walmarts are always about
100 110,000 this is about 50,000 yeah so this is this building is just a rendering we were just uh trying to come
up with just a beginning just to have a concept or an understanding um pre-engineered metal building is
definitely the way to go bang for buck and things like that we can get into some value engineering get that far so
this would hold four basketball courts that have the same the mechanism in the floor that could be converted to uh
volleyball courts or it could be pickle ball courts and there's some offices and concessions and stuff like that on the
on the end of the building there and just that's kind of the the feel of what the inside of that would look like with
the courts side by side so that's a nice indoor facility and that is part of phase one this would be the Showcase
field so as Cory mentioned when you come come in the park there's this nice roundabout you put a really neat sign
out there in the middle of the roundabout it's kind of your money shot when you're coming into the park so to speak and this would be your where the
you know every every Sports Complex has what they call the show field it's like you earn your way up to play at that
field that's where the the the the final games are and so that would be that's
just an idea of what we would think that field would look like in this park setting uh baseball
our baseball diamonds uh so this would be in Phase One there four Fields uh so
this would be give a sense of what that looks like and just again just uh some
visual uh understanding um so what I want to step to real quick is just what
phase two would look like because again as Corey said in Phase One we're wanting to grade the entire site for efficiency
because it would be we it would be it would be more expensive for you to try to do it in two parts
so but if we're thinking about where all the buildings are going then we can grade the whole thing even if you don't
build phase two right out of the gate um oops sorry can you go back can you go back to those fields right quick I just
want to look at it yep
there's I mean I know he didn't my uh my drafter did this and I don't know if he
played baseball I asked him where the dugouts were but me I didn't have time to fix that
it'll be ultimately fully developed okay lighting dugouts all the elements of a
typical baseball field um so we cor as Cory
mentioned what I do like about this neat plan is when we get into this we've pictured this middle area for lack of a
better or fancier name I call it the quad so you've got all this activity
around it and then that's your centralized point of some of your bigger items and you could have some food
trucks out there Pavilion shelters all kinds of things happening
in the quad and then you've got all the fields kind of working around that uh so
in phase two we would be introducing two more soccer fields um we would be introducing pickle
ball outdoor pickle ball and Tennis Courts we would be introducing an open
air Pavilion like a really large picnic shelter or just an open air shelter for families with they're getting some
concessions or wanting to do a picnic or something like that we uh would have four more baseball fields uh the second
of the that would give you a total of eight more obviously more restrooms and playgrounds the additional parking
whoops I went too quick uh an additional parking which would be up here as we built these two fields
we would build more parking and one of the biggest complaints we hear from the travel teams and the other things or
even like the big BB&T park there in Winston is parking people parking on the
grass side of the road and so it seems but if you have 1300 people in the water
park and you have a soccer tournament going on with 10 fields and you have a baseball tournament you literally could
end up with three or 4 thousand cars out there so parking is and the nice part is
you have lots of land so even if we don't do it some phas in some way we
just wanted to make sure there was adequate parking because that's probably one of the biggest complaints about going to these tournaments
is parking issues and trying to get people in and out so the second part of
phase two the bigger ticket items is the one of them is the natatorium I got that backwards U the
natatorium is the fancy word for the indoor pool eight lane pool this would give you your swim team competition
location for your schools and training but we also thought it was good the facilities team brought up a good point
that we would have some what I'm going to call fun elements in that atorium so
if you have a fall baseball tournament and you've got two little kids there you
can still go to the pool and play and there's a slide and there's other fun things in the pool so you get seasonal
re you know seasonal use out of this park it's the water park is not just
shut off at Labor Day that there's access to the pool year round and some fun elements like a slide and splash
area and then of course and I got those backwards I apologize but and so that
was the natatorium right there next door and then this is the actual water park to give you a sense that is about 4 and
A2 Acres so it's not a small thing uh includes Lazy River Splash Pool pads
slides I did some pictures but then we have a little quick video too again this is just giving some
thought to what the quad area looks like your courts your Sports plex your
Auditorium this water park you have a pavilion so it's really you could have
quite the park setting there within the park almost um other elements of what these
look like okay and hopefully the sound will be down there's some bad there's some cheesy background music to this
video and I'm going I didn't make you go through that so let's see if I can get this so This was done for Gaffney South
Carolina and this is it's only about 2 and 1/2 minutes long but this is very
close to the scale and size and features of this I wanted to just so you got a
splash weight in pool on this side you've got the Cabanas on the left over there you've got for little kids you've
got a a pool there to the up at the big top of the screen that has the um for a
little bit older kids and they kind of drag all this out a little bit that's
the tower for the slides uh so that's where kids would go up and pick a slide and they've got four
slides there to choose from again that this whole side is a gradual water where
kids can wait in so if you got a little kid he can go up to his knees or go all the way for
swimming um and so that and there's a transition we're
getting ready to get into so what happens is the lazy river is on our left up here and it's at a different
elevation we're getting ready to the video is getting ready to move up there so that's why you see this wall to your left this wall right here is where we're
transitioning to the upper tier I did notice the peach there the
Gaffney water tower um so this is on the other side of
the tower this is on the high side of the wall we have the bridge that goes from this tower that gets you to this
lazy river and in The Lazy River has uh also a will
have a little wave pool in it in the midst of it uh these are the access
points lazy river is a pretty good it's pretty good size that's 12 feet wide uh just so you would
know um this is all we're getting close to the end here because it's going to show you the
natatorium our the natatorium we proposing would be just a little bigger cuz we bringing in some some of these
slide elements indoors so it could be all year um but this gives you an idea
that scale and scope again four and a half acres is pretty good size
property we're almost there let's see in editorial I
don't yeah all right so stop stopping right there does anybody got any questions PA
I don't know how to pause it to be truthful maybe okay yeah I do not pause
it do anybody got any questions on that part there oh look one of the things we had
mentioned because I had a dry run through this being on the the par board is for the the upper tier right there's
stairs but there's also a ramp so it is Ada accessible and and all that I think you would mentioned that yes sir yeah
100% of this will be Ada accessible and compliant and and and all those elements
are are required and would be required to be part of it but yeah and I talked to Thomas and I guess it'd be a daily
cost for for our citizens to use this and and and I have a nice slide coming
up we have a the town of Hartsville South Carolina which is a rural community built something very similar
to this and gave us all their numbers so I was going to show you those it's crazy how many people they pull in and one
thing I'd say now if if if we were to do something like this and it's very nice and I wish I was about 30 uh 40 years
younger you know cuz i' I'd like to see this and and be able to participate in it um we would need to
charge people from out of town more money you know because our citizens are
paying for this up front our citizens are paying for this so you and I don't
know how you would do that but I'm and I'm getting the the the cart in front of the horse but you know again and people
from out of the county and now should have a different rate than than our folks you know well some of the places
I've worked has a resident and a non-residency and they also have season passes which I think you'll refer to a
little bit later in the other side too where y'all can approve a a fee for a season pass for a family up to four to
be able to come and go all summer long and and we getting a long ways off off path but again to me it would be double
if you didn't live here so you know it'd be $30 a day not and to be able to I mean to me I'm just
saying $30 is cheap for something like this um person per person yeah if you're
a non-resident you know right right for a resident 15's great you know let let's get them in there but anyway because
again our taxpayers are paying for it twice yep if we uh and the schools right
again I know we're we're getting further down but teams that find schools
throughout the county where they don't have the fields to practice they need athletic spots to practice during the
week they would they would not pay right so it's benefiting the schools like and I can imagine too if a school were being
considered they may not need as Grand a facility there if they have this incredible showcase
facility that they can access potentially I'll let this play out then
I've got a a financial slide and then I'm I'm pretty close to so this is the natatorium the indoor pool you can see
the little blocks there on the left prob we make them out where they do the swim meets and different things like that and
as as we Thomas I know has reached out to the schools they would be excited about being able to gain access to the
pools and different things like that for their team oh no I don't know what I'm doing yes ma'am
can you forward that fast forward that so we don't have to yeah that'd be oh
that's okay so this is uh what I did is we tracked down some information so I
have two parts here and I'll explain why I picked what I did the upper level is for a water park and the lower level is
for a sport Sports Park alone so the upper one is from the community of
Hartsville South Carolina and again I picked that because I didn't feel like comparing us to Myrtle Beach or
Gatlinburg or something like that was very reasonable Hartsville South Carolina only has a population of 62,000
in the county versus Davidson has 174,000 so it's literally Davidson
county is three times larger than this County Hartsville the town of Hartsville which this water park is near has about
7,400 people obviously the Southmont Community is smaller but their closest town is 26
miles away to Florence South Carolina we're 12 miles to Lexington they have
about the same little further away to any major Interstate their park is just a little
bit smaller than what we're proposing theirs is as pure seasonal par they have
no indoor pool of any kind so it shuts down at Labor Day now these numbers on the left are
from them they average 90,000 visitors in that three and a half four Monon
window they have a net positive revenue of $425,000 a year from the
park uh in $225 they spent about 14 million to
build it and they report an economic impact of 54 million for all the
visitors trying to I'm not I was kind of joking that as a as a civil structural
engineer doing feasibility studies is not I'm going to pretend is my exact Forte but just trying to extrapolate a
number out of that I I just said Thomas and I we talked 93,000 Pat patrons is is
a reasonable estimate given we would have a bigger Park and we have more
people in the county and we have an indoor facility so we'd be open all year long in some form of fashion then
playing with those numbers about a million dollars of net revenue positive net revenue um cost to build we're
working with that depends on what how many of these elements you kind of out cart pick and choose to put the whole
thing together so doing all the kind of the math I came up with about a $60 million reported economic
impact on the second one I looked at the Rocky Mount Rocky Mount
North Carolina they built a sports complex no pool involved whatsoever just a bunch of really nice baseball fields
and soccer fields their population is about 55,000 for the town itself they kind of split
two counties in half so that's where they're at so they have their inventory
is 11 baseball fields and eight soccer fields phase one we would be four baseball fields and eight soccer fields
they just built they have a sports plexus 160,000 Square ft where we're proposing
a 51,000 they spent $43 million just to do that and we're saying
your first phase is 29 million um yearly revenue is a lot of
reading and just trying to understand but it appears from what I've read and and looking at Monroe and other areas I
estimated a yearly positive revenue of 300,000 reported economic impact they
did report 15 million I reduced that to 10 uh and just show you on the bottom
that the average citizen has just a little more money in Davidson County than the Rocky Mount North Carolina area
just to make keep try to keep things on an even playing field the median income any questions about this slide or
300,000 is that net after expenses that's net after expenses
consistently but what I think what makes this one potentially even better letter is there is very very few on the Eastern
United States that has the water park and Sports Complex combo so if you got
three kids coming and little Sally's playing on her u12 soccer team then the
M you know can take the two kids over to the water park and spend the day over there in the water park that's a rare
combo to have so but the good news is from a net
revenue uh Monroe States full um all these people we got numbers from show a
positive net revenue every year that they're not that it's it's it's it's a
positive to the the books I and I think it's probably safe to say too that these
estimates for us are are probably pretty conservative yes um I mean if I'm just
looking at it the the county and you pulled it from South Carolina right the the Neptune water park right to your
point where population wise three almost three times larger we sit nestled in the
center of the state you've got Charlotte to the southe east or Southwest you've got uh Raleigh to the East and of course
the I 85 uh conduit directing so I think in my mind right it would be much higher
in terms of who we would attract the the amount of people and the revenue I know we're trying to keep it conservative now
you're exactly right because if you look at map of Darlington South Carolina the county and the town of Hartsville other
than Florence they don't have a city to pull from Beyond that where you guys obviously have Winston Greensboro Ry
Charlotte I mean it can your reach is you're more you're better positioned as you as you said yeah I was trying to be
really conservative and not to present a false hope or number but I was truly I
mean it was reading their information it's amazing they pull from Virginia and
South Carol and Georgia just to that water park it's uh 90,000 people is a
lot of people to flow through in four months and the water park as presented today would hold about 1,300
capacity at any one point in time that's what it's built
for um and they capped last note Hartsville South Carolina did cap their
memberships at seven no Monroe Monroe did so well with their water park that
they turn turned theirs into what is that called an Enterprise System where it's self- sustained and they CA their memberships
at 177,000 and so so they were their revenue was so positive they just they
funded their entire they went in Reverse um so that's
um that's the so that's kind of the final buildout I just wanted to leave you with that um and uh just uh we can
send out I mean it's a matter of the record now but we can send this out to look at or whatever are there any uh
more questions or concerns or or thoughts if I delete that the slide with
the video in it it becomes much smaller right yes ma'am okay yes much much email
it yeah and you can also do a print to PDF and that will make it much better and it'll make it go out as a small file
more of a statement I know you all have heard my my opinion but I think this is a a really great example of thinking
boldly and acting boldly and having a vision for the county um this goes back
to what we had talked about previously with um making Davidson County a
destination right and all of these things combined the the sports pieces
the water park right that that's going to differentiate us um throughout the state and I think um it'll benefit not
just our citizens right I mean that's what we really want want to do for families and for kids I think it'll help the school systems I think it'll bring
in Economic Development so again it's it's it's thinking boldly and it's acting
boldly good uh I'd like for everybody to have a little save trip uh do you like
to say a little something I mean I'd like to I'd like to hear every board member's thought process you know just sitting on the committee with Thomas a
couple of weeks ago and get getting presented with this and I Echo the statements of Matt being with a business
background I think it's going to be a huge attraction for our County in revenue and I'm excited about it
okay I'm actually quite Blown Away by uh
because I you know I'm a visual person so when I see it I can I can see um the
many advantages uh I do want to see somewhere along the line and I don't know whether
that's just going to come from Thomas or from y'all about uh the idea cuz I think
you need to have everything in front of us before we just divide into phases and
that sort of thing and how much money we're looking at but um the cost of
operation uh both because it's going to if we're going to keep it open for the
whole year then you got to think about the operation costs and you know who's
going to run what and when and working with the schools and and you know that's that's a big big part of what I'd like
to have a a blueprint of it doesn't have to be I was going to say when do you
need it cuz I sent that to Casey probably a couple years ago yeah we I've done already done the operating expense
for this okay thing a while back so I've got it somewhere buried on my computer I
find it but I can I can send it out to you anytime you want but at a 30,000 ft level they've already done that because
they said it's a $300,000 net uh after all expenses so I take it
that includes and and that's fine you can put it in in writing for a sure or you come up with that $300,000 number
cuz it won't hurt but I look at it going y'all have already done these numbers and at the end you're saying it's
300,000 net if you're projected uh participation meets the numbers that
that you think you meet and we're very and and as Brian said we're very conservative on that and nobody has a
crystal ball to know whether that's going to happen or not but but what they're saying is now I don't know about the school part you talking about but
again what they're saying is 300,000 net is what we're going to take and and I
don't care if it breaks even okay now I don't want that spent necessarily I'm not saying that on um I don't want to
spend on payroll and Personnel but you know the County's not in business to
make money as long as it breaks even either that's all I care about we're giving the citizens something you know
we shouldn't be making money off of our citizens is what I'm saying lot what he would do is go back and offset some of
the parks and budget from the other facilities well that's true but with that being said the taxpayers already
pay a certain amount of money for for Parks and Recreation period you know that should their tax dollars are to pay
lower that amount right instead of having to come to the citizens like we do every year our budget's about $1.6
million instead of having to hit $1.6 million this extra Revenue would go towards our budget make us only have to
come as two or three less dependent on County funds or taxpayers dollars so see
that side but does that answer your question good enough or do you want something more defined uh I mean from
what I'm hearing now the first phase is 29 million and out of that 29
million uh 300,000 bucks net coming back
now um you mentioned something about the schools what is it you want to know
about the schools CU I was have to you know well I talked to Chris Johnston they're very excited about it
sure it would help re uh alleviate some issues they having with swim teams oh yeah oh yeah it would help them with
some of their midle school stuff right and it would allow them to hold their tournaments here instead of having to go
other places to hold their tournaments we'd be able to hold it here in the county all at one location instead of
having to spread it all out everywhere talking more like Logistics like signing up and the biggest thing is he said it
would give them the opportunity to look at maybe offering different programs that they don't offer now
because they don't have the availability don't have availability no I was just thinking in terms what if let's let's
say we have a grand day and everything is everything's booked all day all and
you know and let's say it's uh even even some the schools are involved at that
same day uh the amount of man I I just kind of like to have a good feel about
the Manpower that it's going to take to operate something that's an all day
event or something that encompasses this big and this amount of people well the
sports complex isn't going to take that much that's that's why there's more in that you're looking at a couple
people and they're going to be getting it ready before that day you going to have one person on site that day pretty
much going around and steadily cleaning up trash keeping restrooms clean make sure they're lined off they need to be
reined off that type stuff he let's take it one at the time let's take soccer fields we got eight soccer fields how
many people during a big tournament is it going to take Personnel from us to
oversee that those eight multiac what it's only going to take one person to oversee soccer field itself say but
you're going to have concession stands running so there's you a couple part-time people that's going to be running in concession stands but again
concession stands going to bring Revenue back to all set may may be more than one concession stand there right again I
think that's what Karen's asking is it is it three concession stands with three people a pie it depends on if
everything's running you're looking at six part-time people running concession stand there this is not counting phase
two this is just phase this is the athletic complex you're looking at six part-time people running to concession
STS you're looking at two people being on the grounds part-time labor so you're
not talking about fulltime people you're talking about part-time labor of about 8 to 10 people during the weekend during
the day during the week you'll have your full-time people that will be maintaining fields that will take care
of that that'll be a couple different people then you have one person overseeing the whole project that's
booking these events and trying to Market it out and get more and more people in so you'll eventually have in
my eye all together everything's built you're looking at four full-time people
there and then then you're looking at see that then you're looking at then
you're looking at about probably about 20 or 30 part-time people but when everything's built you're looking at a
total revenue he showed you the net side a total revenue of about $2.5 to3
million coming into that one facility year that's paying for all these people to be there plus still giving you that
net revenue back because it is going to take some people to run that stuff all this stuff
but that's also the reason all the money's coming in to pay for all the stuff and we wouldn't be doing our homework if you didn't put that in right
maybe you already did with case and we need to look at it those people what your projected budget is for all those
people I got a different mindset on the concession stands contract that out with somebody let them pay us to run them you
know so we take that we take that liity in Guilford County we did that uh the
first year we come in House at Guilford County what you pointed me for because you were the ones that made us come in
house um but when we come in house the first year Gilford county brought in house they made us contract everything
out we did that yes we made some money but we made three times the amount of money when we put part-time people in
ourselves and bought the stuff from gold something another yeah I get
it but there's no risk there I mean you you know what your cost are any we'll look at that later but that's a way you
can you you can uh mitigate that one to somebody else and let them take care of
it but anyhow and we're not talking to 2.3 million was that income off the concessions or that was just off the
tournament uh that that's the total thing that was concessions and conc a lot of them publish a uh almost a amount
of money per person that comes through the gate is an average of whe buying a
cheeseburger or buying a drink they kind of aggregate that to say maybe it's $3 every head or $5 every head that comes
in the door so that's some some of that number was used in making that so you're counting the concession stands as the
profits on now also also as well I don't know where youall want to go with that or or whatever but you know
again oh and and are we thinking about using the money that we make
to put any of that money back in back into the county or like making payments
back to ourself if we have a well the money's going to definitely go back in the general fund account yeah m
so any any profits you know yeah uh now again I don't think those profits y'all
didn't have any debt load in there for this right mean I don't want any of us to fool oursel it's you know 300,000 if
you had to had debt load on top of it then you wouldn't be making anything but again that goes back to to me personally
if it breaks even and the economic impact comes into the county and most
people don't believe they hear me say that cuz I'm usually all about making profitable you know but again not
everything you can do uh as Government you know should be profitable so like I
say break down those people the cost I don't know if you got that for Casey again we can look at it and see what
kind of money you're looking at bringing in from the the the restant side you need to break that part out because we
need to know if we're not Meeting those goals I know of what you predicted I know and what about the you know I just
think about you know because there's a lot it's so big you know it's kind of
hard to put your head around it but the these entrances and and these are are we
going to have to is this the does this include the the roadway changes that
might have to be made yes we did include some budget estimates for right away for
turning Lanes we figur that would be the worst dot would ask now yeah all that
budget for the 29 million as far as the parts that building includes 100% curb
asphalt sidewalks fencing everything's in there I'm just asking yeah no that's a fair question and I did want to
mention I did fail to mention and I'm sorry about that 10 there might be could be a phase three I don't want to
complicate things but up here there is a great consideration for this being an RV
Park area a point there's so many of these travel teams that come in with RVs
with tons of RVs they all run into this and if you offered 50 or 60 spaces
because you've already got sewer there you've already got everything there you could actually generate a decent and it would even make
it more attractive because a lot of these some of these travel ball folks really travel it really goes some
distance but anyway that's another you have plenty of land to accomplish that our Our Land goes It goes all the way
down to the I mean this is way over here this land your land goes way down here and again we didn't touch we didn't
touch the this North or west side near as much cuz we wanted to leave this 80 to 100 ft between the neighbors and
yourself so sound you can't help think about how they're going to react to
being that close to such a big we're touching about 105 of the acres is what
we're touching right now how about that pond now I thought the Low Land was on further down are we going to have this
Pond it is that was that was potential for irrigation now we do was for great
settlement Pond Y and uh using it later on and Cory can correct me but the
further we go down the page the more water shed we're getting into the more
some challenges the the sem was put on that's a storm water control measure um I actually spoke with the water shf
administrator this week um there there won't be any post construction this is
way too much engineering talk uh there will not be a post construction storm water requirements but there will be in
a r control Bas that gets built um so that that line item will come down and C
cuz we did do that's really close to the ball fields and I know you got really young kids running around there and it
had to be fenced and if there's any possible way I'd rather any any type
water be a lot further away standing
okay dry mix okay and just and just to know we did do a full
preliminary grading plan I know for a lot of that's Todd will appreciate that
but so we did the site is mass graded and balanced and that's why we picked the places we did for the different
features is to best use the land and its layout to so that has all been part of
this concept plan is these weren't just random rectangles we put on the sheet it was all kind of planned out and fall
through and you know to me the campground needs to be pretty pretty it needs to be up front of we going to do
one pretty close to being in the first phase because to me don't cost a lot to build a campground no you know you got
to put a Gravel Road in with all the sewer and everything else you're doing you're right it's it's a pretty I've I've done one RV park for a private
group and it surprisingly other than a bath house it's pretty inexpensive and
the reason I say that the place in Salsbury what's the name of it I keep forgetting to name uh their park it Dan
Nicholas their campgr is packed every weekend you know um so and it would be very it would
actually be shocked how small of a footprint I could get 60 80 spaces and I
think you get folks going in there that just want to go down to the lake for the week right just to Camp you know so that'd be a little bit oh yeah if you
had the water park and the lake and but I'm saying that you know you could gravel and that's something I sitting here thinking too and I don't know what
the rest of these board members do I do asphalt work okay that's the way I've made my living and grading but if it's
not mandatory that we put asphalt down I mean I don't really like like it with all this Pavement in there you know
because it's hot it's you know I'm not so sure if we couldn't get by with gutter and just Stone you know and the
majority of the parks that we go to are gravel right it's it's more environmentally U you know everybody
worries about water shed and pervious Pavements are nonous and it's a way for
us to save a ton of money there a little more upkeep on our people we got to drag it every now and then but but again I
don't know uh Chris what's your thoughts on that I mean just just acres and Acres of asphalt to me it certainly will help
with you pollution running into the lake with the L's no question about
that the water be able to Dr that the now's a main road going in need to be
asphalted sure you know but yeah some of the yeah okay but I'm just saying that
would save me that sa s certainly you might pick or you could even pick like your one lot next to the park that's
paved but your your remote Lots could be gravel and that might we talk about like
as you you know parking lots at on a project like this are kind of like sidewalks on a college campus like you
don't build them at first you see where the people start walking put it's
kind people parking over here maybe you put some St down to
help and we could always go back and pave it later but if we establish it and just gravel it and we see that hey it's
kind of a big pain or there's extra Revenue over the next few years it could be paved out pretty easily you know
Thomas you can buy your little cheap motor grader and hit it a couple times a year you know like said the main roads going in or like say I agree around the
water park that needs to be asphalted you know but everything else on these fields to me I'd rather have it gravel
and not hot asphalt beaten down right there um close to the ball fields you know so again it ain't going to save us
tons of money but it saves some your asphalt or something and you go a lot of
these could be gravel like that could be your gravel remote or something I'd go ahead and curb and gutter and everything
and then put Crusher run on top of it and yeah you know it's nice hard packed
if it's done right it's nice definely saves you some money right it saves you a lot of money you know that's 3,000
parking areas that's big and it takes that that fi away all right Steve I'm
going to go to you and Fred here and get y'all's thoughts well I think it's like any project of this
magnitude going be times you're going to have to back up you know when you start out but I think the end result is
finding destinations for our families MH and when you stop and look say wow you
know but every big project started out with the wow is how you complete your
your uh goals that that that end up producing the destinations that for our
families and Travers and
uh I think it's I think it's a outstanding
concept that I like we could
do commissioner McLure it's a very excuse me very
balanced um configuration and use about all the space you can get and not
wasting any of it that certainly is
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any other questions just one all right has anybody done like an overall cost analysis on doing all the
phases simultaneously what the construction cost would be versus what the savings would be versus breaking it
up like what we're talking about we've had antidotal yeah we we dug
into that quite a bit I mean if you do it all at one time you're looking somewhere around about $75
million and in phases it could go higher I mean from our from our light
standpoint from the two contractors we got prices from so far I just got a new one
in they're about $2 million higher if they come in and do it in a phase two if
they do all the lighting at one time it saves us about $2 million because as we've talked about before uh
they want to get everything in there before everybody else gets all their utilities in and Plumbing in and roads
in and gravel and all that stuff that way they can just go ahead and put direct Berry lines in and get everything
done and it's cheaper on us to do it that way as far as far as also you're
talking about Revenue to the county if that whole thing is available to people you're automatically going to boost your
yearly Revenue well you'd be able to Market it a lot a lot better and be able
to turn in a lot more Revenue quicker just thinking out loud that's something to that's a consideration because the as
Brian mentioned the Aquatic Center the big pool people's going to come to
sports complexes they're going to come and you got to you have to have
a reason to get them to your sports complex versus somebody else's sports complex and when you put that Aquatics
facility in there like what we proposing that makes this complete destination place and a place that people will want
to come bring their families and stay the whole weekend so then that way they can they can
definitely one spend time here if you've got that and the camping facilities
you've got them locked in for the weekend their whole family spending all their money they're not going anywhere else they're right here so that's just
kind of what I was thinking and and then I guess as we talked in reality if you said go on the whole thing it's really a
two to three I mean three three to yeah buildout anyway it's a long buildout it's by definition just as fast
as you physically could go it's going to be over a Ser of time so even if you did say All the Monies here are available
today it's still going to take 3 to four years so it needs to be kind of a phased in process just knowing kind of how
we're phasing it in I'm going to piggy back on that right quick if you don't mind um Mr Caster Casey how would we pay
for a $75 million uh uh there's one quick and fast passway um and I don't
have it with me I didn't know if we'd go this route today or not you know we've have the what we call we got our Capital
plan but then I brought this big piece of paper here before I call cash for the CIP I call it this the plan it's the
Strategic plan of getting these projects done and if you remember on that list one of the rows was Salsberry sewer and
it was about $50 million this first phase is already built into the fiveyear plan so we have cash for that you could
take the 50 plus the 30 that's already available and you hit 80 and you could do that now you're basically trading the
Salsbury sewer project for this that's the way to get it done immediately now we all know there's some contingencies
on that Salsbury sewer project right now too there's some political contingencies um and let's just call
them logistical and I I touch on it real fast the political is Rowan County is not too not too fond of us running sewer
line across the river and sawbury Rowan utilities given us sewer capacity they've expressed that concern chairman
I I had had a chance to talk to their chairman and work through that there could be ways to work through it because they would like to they would like to
have the dredging of the lake project done it's more on their side or the I guess maybe what's the right word Mr
chairman the the uh the impact of it may be more on their side to get done there's potential there for conversation
the second piece is um uh the land grab you know we had a gentleman we
negotiated here not just what a month or two ago for 600 acres over there and obviously they wanted too much money per
acre so that's on that side of the highway right that what we were looking at potential tracks that could develop
if that were to go residential somebody bought that I'm just I'm not trying to put words in y'all's mouth but I'm
assuming based on the past we're not interested probably running sewer that way because then it's going to become a housing side of the of I85 so there are
some issues with that project meaning well I sell that to say I don't know that that project's moving today it
doesn't if this Project's more of a priority you can make the simple trade
and then have if you remember remember this is all getting into the reval and everything else tied to that the goal of
the reval coming up will be to put us probably back to the tax rate that makes
the same amount of money we make today well we do have funds and we talk about this at the last two or three Retreats
and we'll talk about it again in March now we have excess funds going into this Capital plan that's a l that and the
covid money is largely where it came from so they'll continue to be chances
to save money after Tim Needs is three more years to get the fiveyear plan fully funded there'll be more
opportunities does that make sense so you basically can take doing Roi in your mind if the Salsbury project ain't
really moving today and I want this one and you think and I all the things you've laid out are valid but we want
this one to go and hold so it's cheaper and you make more money faster and it's more of an impact then you trade that
project off knowing that the future could be you still have opportunities to come back and save money and have those
conversations with our neighbors and work Market through cuz both of them are Financial impacts it's just one's more
seen invisible destination one's more behind the scenes in the ground that's going to create an opportunity to grow
so I think they're both probably important but the one has run into some stumbling blocks okay do you have some
the only other thing I was going to add and we had talked about it guess a couple days ago was there's another
opportunity um for for Revenue with businesses and brands in the area who
want to Market right or or put some stuff in here like you go to any other Stadium or game the Nike field or
exactly and so that's another talk about new right local Stu there's there's those opportunities as well that's the
only a lot of the medical community sponsors a lot of Doon Wake Forest Baptist yes so there are some that may
be a good way to offset some of this operating cost because you know we don't know going into it what will you know
especially when we're starting what it'll be um that's a great way to do that is basically sell an advertising
space more or less Allan and Thomas went down to the sportsx in ashro a couple of weeks ago every field down there was
sponsored by different businesses or agencies or entities I like that so they they've got a lot of private
Partnerships in there I mean good you know the thing for I mean we got to run it as efficiently as we can and that's
what we got to keep our eye on if we build it so you brought up some so 50 million bucks will come from the sewer
line and then we've got million right and we we got the cash for both of them
and it again I don't have the sheet and I know this is probably more than y'all anticipated we talk about this a little more March and I can kind of show it to
you because I know how you guys like to see it on paper we can move we got $85 million in cash and Tim's probably in
less than another three months is going to put up another 20 into that so you're going to be a 100 plus it's the it's the
the list of projects that need to get done it's how you scatter them around that and he's going to do it again in
the end of 26 and the end of 27 and I don't see any reason unless the economy just falls off this Cliff why he can't
continue his right now all the plans calling for is 18 for the next two years that's less than we've been putting in
there and so if he can do two more fiscal years outside of this one he's about to do this spring he's got his
5year plan funded so we can move projects around like say for example you
pick this one said look what we want to do is we want to go on ahead and put up the put up up to 80 something out of
that we can stagger some of the other projects around some of them I got to
look at cuz some of them are Comm Center updates consoles radios you guys that were here when we did the radio system
remember the day we talked about we'll have to replace the radios it's coming up in this back end of this 5year plan
but we can move stuff around and then time it to Tim's savings but if you remember that with that being said when
we was looking at our original radio equipment if we would went with Motorola it was a $500,000 year yeah no no no
saving 500 Grand a year yeah right no I know that but I mean that bill of replacing the Ros Mir it's finally
getting into that phase where we're going to hit us at this time but I don't this is my gut talking because I see I I
see this stuff all in the numbers all the time I don't see a problem with moving projects around if if that's if
this one's the one you want to do all right so let me say this I ain't real sure that the sewer Salsbury row County
things ever going to happen Okay I mean there a lot of political stuff there and I just I ain't
so sure they're going to let us come over and tap into their sewer you know they want it all for their s so like I
say me and the chairman over there's pretty good little buddies and maybe we can talk about it but he's got to sell
it to his people and I ain't so sure he can do that you know I think to me that's got the most potential to bring
people to this County and make money than than anything I've seen so far of time has I've been here the sewer thing
was was going to bring industry here which pays lot of tax dollars you know that's what we were shooting for got is
bring sewer line so we can put industry uh so I don't see it happening if it
does happen I think it'd be worth us even you know borrowing money to do a
sewer because again that's for expansion for industry and you know we just have to go borrow money and put in a $50
there's ways to work through that that might be another option it's it's fortunate that we've been able to take
the covid money and the savings from the last revow and couple that together to
have this available to even do when I got here I think the Savings in capital reserve was like 3 or 4 million doar you
know so that really limits your choices I mean we are we've intentionally on purpose taken the the savings from that
and we're going to have to rent with that that Capital plan I'm talking about has got the parts to the jail to it no
it's not the $95 million option anymore it's more the try to get it up there on the space pull the core in try to net
out a couple hundred beds um for some I'm just right now I'm making up a number 50 to 55 somewhere in that range
is what I'm praying it comes back to so there that that plan kind of counts for all that stuff you know and now that one
may not be able to be traded you know what I mean cuz it's some parts of the J parts we probably need to roll on um
like we probably do need if we're up a capacity I'm kind of like Mr Shell I don't know what the future holds so I
don't know what the courts will do I don't know that I need 600 beds I think two might get us by I'm not trying to
morph Us in that conversation I'm just saying some of them projects on that listing we had a line in there for Education projects um like the admin
building well the admin buildings it's on separate row now so we've got that in there but we've got building for for
Davidson County Schools me we kind of said we'll put up a I think it's 2 million dollar we'll do Brian's actually the one you know working to help design
that piece but there's another row called education projects where we've put in a dollar amount to say we
probably need to divide that amongst I say four of them cuz I throw the college in there too and I I we're going to talk
about this in March maybe we need a committee to do that and take their Capital plans and look through them because we all know if we're going to
divy it out for them to fix stuff in their school systems thomasville's probably needs the first one up you know
we we've done stuff in the county we're doing lexon middle school they're probably the next Suitor to stand up in
the front of the gate um but that's in there as well so these are all things that we can move those Dollars around
that makes sense these are not this why it's called a plan we're not in the Locking Stone the board's approved and
it's over stage but I think it's feasible if if this is the one you want to do which my ears are hearing y'all
like this and I I mean I've seen the video from now I four years ago when I saw it four years ago I knew I liked it
so I was like you know how much this thing cost I mean that's the first thing you look at it and go wow this is pretty neat well I'm going to say this and I
didn't really have this mindset to today but I'm afraid probably if we don't do
it all at the beginning it'll either never get done or
it'll take so long that most of us won't see it in our lifetime it'll cost twice
as much and the money's there the sewer money is there so take it away people can't see what we put in the ground and
that's what I always say you know they can't see the the millions we spend there I mean what they can see is what
we do out here in the um now some people going to have a fit that we spending this kind of money on
uh on quality of life probably so um but again if we don't go ahead and
do it it won't never get done and I'm not sure you'll ever be able to measure the success because you need all the
pieces of the puzzle in it to make it successful right cuz the revenue off if
you don't have the water park then it's a skewed number because then you're just another Sports Complex competing against
the other sports so with that being said I'm going to pull the board just a little bit and see whether you'd say
let's pull the money from the sewer and go ahead and do it all at one time or y'all leaning the other way I'm leaning
to do the whole thing at one time because I think the realization of the total revenue it could bring to this
County you could help offset some of that and you could that's something tangible you can show people on paper to say hey this is a quality of life for
our County this is something that's bringing dollars Economic Development here and if we've got the money to do it
I'm thinking why not take a chance and go and do it and save that money instead of breaking it up into three phases this
is going to cost you more that way my yeah I think the board knows where I I probably stand it's it's a
bold Vision so let's let's move boldly and if we can do it all in one phase
then let's do it I'm I'm with you on the Salsberry
money uh I've been that way for months cuz I just didn't think it was going to happen I'm I'm still not sure about the
whole thing at one time but I you know I think it's a great idea and we've talked
about wanting to do this for our our kids and that's what it's for that's
what it's for um okay two phases
maybe what is what is the rough cost of phase one 30 million and the rough cost
of phase two about 35 so we're talking about 35 million cuz if we're read for
phase one we've already committed to that well you said 75 million well to go total so now got phase three of the RV
Park RV park well let's take the RV park out yeah and and that's before true I mean I think his numbers are good but I
think we can do some value you ain't going to spend that kind of money on the RV yeah but there's some value engineering opportunities in
this like say 15 million for RV parks no way I think we did the private one we
did for about two and a half maybe you got put concrete pads down and all that so 60 million 65 million for water park
for everything we see there except Campground
right number I think the answer would definitely be yes especially if we offset some of it with asphalt about 65
yeah yeah especially if you cut some of asphalt that's a big line item in the bu budget is the
asphalt not say you wouldn't do a percentage but you might could like you said we Define what is a
remote lot versus a principal lot and make the gravel remote lots and a few
principal Lots I definitely it looking at his numbers and and there's some other places that we can I feel like it
can be smart about it so I think the 65s are very reasonable that answer your question so
how do you feel what I I for the 35 and I'm quite Karen I have to agree with
Karen I do not think that Salsbury was ever coming in play so are you good with doing all of it at one time or yeah
because that's how you going to make your money you're not going to make enough money people going to lose interest in the park if you only do one
phase I agree what was the income on phase one
you showed that I showed them together on the water park I showed it an income
of a million and on the sport Sports plex 300,000 so and that was on a pretty
low Patron number I'm hoping the pat I'm hoping the visitors are a lot higher than that so I'm hoping the N the net
revenue is 1.3 1.5 range for the whole thing for the
whole project for the whole thing yes ma'am so if that's net you know 60 years
it'll be paid for right we could do a calculation yeah but
it could be better than that who knows it's Crystal Ball you know could be better well I think I I suspect and
we've talked about this I mean it's common sense but that area is going to be impacted if you're bringing three or
4,000 people on a weekend 6,000 people on a weekend you're going to business
demand is going to that dominoes across the street is is not going be able to hand and all that's hard to gauge and
the reason I'm saying why it's kind of like these Radio Systems when we spent Millions on the radio system people
riding down 85 never see that you know our Radio Systems just cost millions they don't see that you know people see
this okay uh they don't see that $50 million school we buil over here 60 million but they will see this so can't
we can't forget the sponsor money well the sponsor money that's way on above that you could you could raise another million a year probably on sponsor money
I'd say whenever you Bill all this somebody doesn't say hey I'd like to put fill in
the blank on the other the and if and if I own a a company uh
they got a nice part down cage compan well there's the crystal ball the
company that comes in here and looks at us from the EDC standpoint and goes well CU we this would be in our brochure for
sure you know as weot the county and go wait a minute y'all got a park like this here okay we going to invest a billion
dollars we see some now coming in that their Investments a billion dollars or more you know so again high8 huh Highway
8 I mean there's going to be stuff coming probably further down Highway 8 and on Highway 8 if this thing if this
looks like this and it rolls like that there'll be stuff on Highway 8 eventually probably more lodging and
more eating just fast food like restaurany typ things like they have more over on the sawbury side over Jake
Alexander Boulevard kind of area um and the same thing happens to me a lot of times when I buy a new piece of
equipment I'm wondering how I'm going to pay for this piece of equipment CU it's very expensive but then you see when
everything starts happening and you use it you see where it pays for itself and
I think this will too I mean I'm not trying to sell anybody on it I just think in the end we'll probably go we
should have had this 30 years ago you know if we would have had this 30 years ago what kind of difference would have
made so you good going with the whole thing Fred pH
pH so we don't have any idea what the
future is going to have we don't know whether they want to have a recession where it's going to go down if
everything goes like you like you want it to yeah it's a good
idea and I'm a big believer in Murphy's Law ain't very many things go like you
think they going too if we have a recession and I don't have any work I'm going to be over there at the pool with
Tomas promise going to be laying out by the by the swimming pool the Todd gate River
yeah or maybe down at the campground uh camping out and I'll buy me a camper to
live in and live we've had a I think one maybe two counties that
have had the state come in because their financial situation wasn't in good shape
you know I'll go with slow I just that's the conservative yeah I get
it I mean I'm very conservative too you know a little bit I'm very conservative
and I know we're going to take some heat off of approving a $75 million Sports
Complex but on the other hand of that 50 million was going for sewer that we probably don't need it course somebody
else can say well and here's where some of the Heat's going to come from why come you not doing some work at the schools or why come you not doing it but
you know here again the school system just wanted 25 or 30 million for a new admin building so they think it's okay
to go over here and build an admin building but they don't want us to put 30 million in something that would help
thousands of people and kids and families so you got to weigh that out you know I mean they don't understand
the other side of that coin that we're tasked with so what is the right answer I can't tell you to
me we we put a million and a half in their admin building and make it usable it's
dry um it'll have heat and air in it I mean it it it works um we would invest
this money here to bring more people in and a better quality of life you know
again nobody will see their new $30 million admin building when they riding around they won't they won't think
anything of that you well this benefits the schools as well right and all the students who attend Schools go back to
that plan it's not like you're not declaring that you're going take some of that cash and put it toward that that's what it is right now declaration now we
have to move some stuff around to figure out if this goes a little bit forward faster how we do that but if Tim can
still keep his Pace remember that key point you've got that row on that sheet saying we're going to do 30 million
divide mons for you so it's not like you took the ENT as Bandits take the whole money and just use it for this does that
make sense you've got priorities in that list they're they're there we just have to make decisions that we see best that
and this is a decision that we see best right you know and once it's up and running maybe they'll see it too or
maybe they never will you're right it does have a side benefit for them I mean it's got it's not it's not a school but
it's indirect right and not only them I mean I remember when we discussed this before you had some people that was
adamantly against you know the sports complex concept at all you know but
again they I don't know that they've ever been out there if they had grandkids and been out there and watched them play and have fun they might have a
little bit different looks or Viewpoint can you think about how much we've we've grown in terms of the residental sprawl
that's overtaken the community and like I grew up and we had seven acres right we had woods and and yards to plan
that's that's more of an anomaly these days even in this County where you have smaller yards and so this again provides
that sort of opportunity of you know going out and exploring the water park going to the fields I mean it's
expansive it it provides those outdoor opportunities that are I think extremely important we don't want kids to be in
front of screens all day when we did the bond referend before
the the sports complex did not fair well what was the percentage of the people do
you remember I do not sir uh we never put it on no we never put it on but we had that com we had the lady um do the
market kind of from the survey thing that was a survey that she did
um I'd have to dig that out I don't remember commissioner coer it's been so long ago and that's what kind of
happened there just so you guys know that wasn't on the board at that time we were going to do a bond in the school
bond and a and a recreation Bond or for the sports complex and the school system
got to fighting so hard not they wanted all the money you know so they didn't want a bond for the sports complex they
felt like it wasn't needed so you see I mean they start start grabbing for those dollars that so we just we just dumped
it all you know and said you know we're not going to have a bond referendum on any of it you know um and that's
something I guess we can look at later if we want to do some sort of but as long as we can pay for it out of our
with our own means I think that's the best way to do it no bonds
and uh but like I said you will start getting push back from there I know you will
and um so what do we need to do Casey if uh we want to move forward with this and
I think two things one we got to get some I guess this is a single bid document or is this multiphase how would
that work I think be good to sit down and talk through that a little bit I need to
work through with Thomas the spacing of when he needs the money um and maybe
that's a one way to handle this so I don't want to get premature and say I know the answer today we need to we need
to take the 65 or 70 or whatever and figure out how it spaces with what we got that we're going to end up at a
place where we got bid documents I assume mhm but I would say if you got
approval sometime in the next couple months on moving forward it'd be three
years and spending the money from start that's what I'm saying I don't I don't three to four yeah maybe four I might it
time closer to four may not need to hold 75 or 70 by the spring they'll get that
site graded in 6 months 6 to8 months okay uh so basically we do the whole
thing and commit y'all ink it it locks Us in at this price no matter if it takes three
or four years correct so that's a guaranteed price if you do a one bid contract
okay uh I mean I don't know that you do a one bid contract you really probably
wouldn't do that you do some of the things like you were were talking about like the lighting if you know you going to do all the lighting you do all that
at one time but you'd still bid it out like You' bid out the grade and do that then you the Sports plex build out the
Sports plex like we talked about actually in a couple different bids one doing just the whole of the building
itself cuz that'd be one different contractor and to save us money then we do the inside with up upfit with
different contractors putting that out for bid to come in and fix it so it'd be several different bids going on with
this in multiple different ways but it'd be as INF phases as of what needs to
come first like you were talking about if if if you're looking at the aquatic Center as we talked about what two or
three weeks ago if you're looking at the Aquatic Center doing it too you'd include that grading into your grading
plan and that should cut down on the cost of some of the Aquatic Center because their their uh their fee that
they gave us to start with including doing all the grading theirself too so if you're taking all that off and doing
all that mass grading at one time it makes sense to kind of rough it all in at one time and doing and doing a full
uh utility plan for the entire site you're putting in all your utilities at the up front and all that stuff makes a
lot of sense kind of get all the underground done first before you start coming that needs to be in the major grading plan yep y mhm yeah and all your
conduit for your power for your lights needs to be installed yep all your
horizontal work but there is there is some things though that we I'd like to talk to with the board as far as that
goes too and how do you want to do the lighting like for the lighting for the parking lots and stuff because these
people going to be out there till probably about 11:00 at night so they have come a long way with solar type
lighting now that you can put on sensors that just come on and cut off when they done or you can buy your own lights put
your own lights in or you can contract with Duke power and let the light stay on all the time so I mean there's some
things there that we need to kind of when we get down into the weeds of how we need to kind of we want the whole
complex to look when it's done yeah like say what we would do
there is put a couple Commissioners on that committee and they would work through the fine details and bring it back to
the board kind of like we do the facilities committee well would it be better just let the facilities committee
kind of manage that piece of that's what I was going to say I could bring it to the facilities committee and help let yall what you basically want is a cash
flow of all these grading I mean all these contracts if he can get build me a year one I think I'm going to need we're
going to do 10 contracts for grading for lighting for you whatever your two is going to be you know what I mean that's
what we need so we'll know all right year one's going to cost 22 of the 29 then we're going to do the next 31 or
whatever the mount is I'm good with that as long as Dwayne will lighting up on some of the load he's already got on
there most of the time cuz you know it's a pretty long meeting sometimes yeah
we'll try to Target that one for special meetings or whatever but step one you just need to flow it out what you think
the contracts are going to look like how many years cash yeah the model of cash what it's going to take do it yeah how
we going to put this to the public and
wi just man I think as you like we do any other big project at some point in time
once we do it there'll be ribbon cuttings and media will come calling um
this will gar talking about starting talking about I mean front
whenever we start doing this when we let the public know what
we're doing and how much it cost well we're doing it today in a public meeting
so if they I'm talking about the public I said that what public we let the public know
that we're building a sports PL for $70 million I guess when we take a vote on
it to to approve it in a public meeting well there'll be multiple approvals you
know with one sets of contract coming to the board for this package of this stuff for the complex we can always remind
every time we do that here's what we think this thing's going to cost here's the goal here's the
intention of what to get to I think it'd be a good idea to for
like what commissioner McClure is saying for public dissemination and perception
of the value that it's going to add to your family to your community it's going to have things here that that here
before we don't have it's going to bring Economic Opportunity of people that want to do these sponsorships somebody might
want to build a hotel it's going to provide jobs that way you're not going to have to scour counties over to find a
job for your family that's going to bring that in here you have to just Market it in a way that they're going to
realize the entire it's not like we're just looking to blow $70 million on Recreation this this is to bring
Economic Development quality of life to the community that we don't have at this point it's going to bring people from
other areas that don't have anything like this I think all that it's all how you articulate yeah the media will will
run that rabbit when we get to that place and I think to answer Fred's question after I thought about this for a minute and listen to y'all talk and
again it's 65 million we need to right now I think it's 65 that sounds better than 70 to me right Ken sound sounds
better to me are we proving 70 no no no 65 you said the wrong word
65 um what we need to do before and and we'll bring this out on the two on on a
Monday night meeting when they come back with your answers you just ask right the
prolonged this is this is is because right now we don't have enough information to bring it to a Tuesday
night meeting and we'll bring it out then and discuss it we don't have to vote on it that night we can Monday
night does that answer your question bring it out on a Monday night when these guys have I think that's I think
that's better in a public meeting right I too um so but we we need some of these
questions answered so we don't have that's why we discussing it now so that Monday night we we not sitting here
talking about $65 million and nobody want objections answered beforehand
right what's the timeline what are we going to do first how the contracts are going to work
um is that is that
doable I mean there's a fair amount of work there and I don't know if you guys signed up for this orig that's what to
say I just telling them we're I'm probably going to have to go back and get with Dwayne and try to amend their
contract a little bit to help me get this finished out to bring to the board
and uh then bring it back to you you just give him a
sponsorship I'm all for that you sponsor playground Casey Casey may be be able to
figure it out I mean what we're wanting is not terrible that difficult just going to
take a little bit of time but not a lot of time you understand Casey I mean what we what we really want to know is we got
$65 million what's going to cost what I can get with Cory I don't think we would it would be an absorbent fee from us at
this point to take the budget numbers we've already been working through in try to develop a cash flow and a timeline timeline that's right you just
need a time I can hand it the knows somewhat itemized like oh yeah break it
down into the major components right grading utilities lighting uh Sports the the
all those things we already have that so then it would just be a matter of plugging in the timeline and then what is do the cash flow model well just make
it simple for me just put it rows and total dollar amounts for how many years it's going to take to do it it all at
the end of the thing it all all to add to 65 you know what I mean I ain't worried about Revenue right this second don't
get me into the operating piece of it Karen I'll help I'll work with this gentleman right here and get that out
well you know man you know that's that's a part of it you know you have to have a
if it comes up to cost twice as much then um I can tell you that unless something
major goes wrong that would not happen because at Guilford County before I come here we had the sports complexes and we
had the aquatic centers and both of them made money so or not made money but
they brought Revenue back in and I have a pretty good amount of exactly what
it's going to take for cost wise how many people demand this to get what you done cuz like I said I'd already done
this a couple years ago so all I got to do is pull that back out and update it to some new stuff that we've added and
it won't take long to do Thomas how in terms of the size of the sports complex on this Sports plx because I'm familiar
with the one in Greensboro what's the do you remember what the size was on that over there I don't blame you be there
myself same thing okay it's same it's the same exact thing that Greensburg got
basically the same size one street yeah same when are you supposed to retire
Pizza Debbie Pizza I'm sorry Pizza as long as you're going to be there when all this stuff hits yep that is my goal
I want to be there to be able to at least put the operating procedures in place make sure all the staff knows
exactly what they need to do how it runs make sure it's running efficiently and then that way before I leave here it'll
all be turned over to run hopefully like clockwork that that will go in the approval too so a signature from him
that he will that he'll finish his thing don't stop contract extension and also I
think we need to look at the campground now too I mean I don't think it's going to be you're you might as well right and
something Acres you might as well grade that extra five right they're going down through there just a just a half a mile
or a quarter of a mile with a gravel road it can be gravel wide enough usually it's a gravel with usually they
put pads and then you just have in your power hookups what I'd really like to see and that's just me speaking is a
circle with pull throughs yep yeah that's that's what we that's what we drew out to start with as much damage as
I've seen them do with those AR pull throughs as much pull and maybe some tent camping along one area or whatever
and that'll give you another bath house yeah but I don't think you're looking at tons of money to do that and um then it
needs to stay pretty rustic to what it is now don't need I've rode through the on the side by side and don't need a lot
of work down in that area so and I don't know if y'all been to the site or not but maybe a side by side and you guys
out there on the site to get a feel for what it looks like especially you uh Corey when you're doing the the grading
part of it you can look and kind of see what and it'll blend in with that disc golf area to the to the east of it I
mean all that'll that whole in should stay nice and wooded and something we talked about Todd initially was how to
serve is the the camping area in the bath house with uh trying to Value
engineer on the pump station was the first thing that we looked that was trying to get the gravity sewer
potentially across the creek that you see on the right hand side cuz I it didn't feel like when you have an area
that's designated for camping and natural to have a a pump station that's got a red light that leaps and it just
is a little out of place so I think you know depending on how far down towards the lake you want to push the camping
area St um somehow we'll have to pop it back up potentially but we can
definitely Draw Something El where's your disc golf court or whatever it's it's all going on this okay it actually
goes basically all down that whole side down through there the whole side yeah pretty much all down through that side
cuz each hole is about 4 500 feet so that's where that's where the campground's going right no cgr's going
right in there yep it's going down along the side towards the road between them see access road right there that's kind
of going into the campground but then this little parking lot up here is for your disc golf yep okay how big a area with the disc
golf take remember disc golf all you do is just thin out the trees they play Between the Trees so but I'm saying
where does it go how far down that it goes It goes all the way down into that lower area and it comes back all the way
down yeah it's plan to be two courses couldn't you flip-flop that though well part of that is going to be
looking because the disc golf can literally be about anywhere part of this like Cory was trying to say some of this
Advantage is trying to figure out this sewer y demand down here for that just kind of where I was thinking with this
kind of piggybacking on chairman there if you're going to have people pulling in you know campers and all that they're
coming right out up there as opposed to have to come down into the opposed coming down here and turning left into
it right yeah we might could look at a different there's another road up there we come come back out to to at least
have pool off there that way they're not have to come in through that parking area and all that okay that makes sense
I think I think that's something we need to get on the sideb side and ride because I don't want to mess up our
campgr with disc golf and vice well like I said the disc golf if if you see it at
Boon's cave Park and at Hughes Park it just goes into the landscape I mean you're only talking about a 15 20 foot
wide area that's just cleaned out and they just come through and throw in the disc and they go straight down the edge
of Owens they go right on down through there and then come back so they got to go down
and back cuz like I said it's going to be two 18 hole courses out there so again we can hold tournaments disc golf
tournaments out there as well but I'd really like to look and get
you guys out there to go through there and see because we originally talked and and I've wrote it looks like it'd be a
nice campground to me but it goes all the way back there in the back door it's really low I don't know that's probably
the you said that was in the watered the H so the way that the ordinance is written for the wed locally the state's
L BCT the site just left of the water park but the ordinance applies to the
entirety of the property so if you were to get on like davidon County J M and you turn on the Watershed layer it's for
the entire property that's what I I mentioned earlier I talked to the uh administrator uh Josh Josh Josh so as a
part of what I was doing today we're making sure to stay under well underneath the 24% maximum for the whole
site so what you're looking at now is about 15% that's even assuming pavement as
well at 15% uh yes cuz I think I mean gravel
while it it I think it is technically impervious is it still considered just
yes there are some creative St have recently come out that have had
tried to speak to gravel being more in flood administrator in over 10 years or mean Watershed administrator in over 10
years but I remember that so state senator Jarvis was involved in help push some of
that because that was argued both ways where it wasn't yeah yeah some municipalities did not recognize that
impervious some did and that made a huge difference and now the state law roughly
is saying that of stone 4 Ines of stone and such like that is not and so it's
it's it's kind of getting worked out now so that may help us some are not doing some we're not pushing like Cory just
said we're pushing even with this asphalt we're only pushing like 15 and you're not talking about adding 10 more
perc that be 36 more Acres of impervious area and that's definitely Watershed not
flood plane yes
okay plane would be way more problematic if you had that I'm surprised flood plane's not on the back of that property
cuz I'm I'm really surprised it's not no I mean I these places I mean yeah
iin developing flood plane you know just I got to pay higher insurance or
whatever but there's a big piece I'm looking at now that's got 40 acres of flood plane in it bu with free board y I
don't think I'll ever see it flood I mean it's just one of those pieces of property that's in the flood plane that's not but anyhow all right uh so I
think we got a path forward is that right I think so I think we got our just to make sure that again for some we'll
help Thomas prepare a spreadsheet that helps understand timeline and cash flow and identifying the major Milestone or
the major project Awards and if you just want to show it to me in yeah in the phases or however you want to do it I'll
get with him on the operating part of it how what what happens once we open it we just put every year and then what we
think's happening in what year and what that contract is and the amounts so do you all think we can have that by the
next informational meeting project bu that's going to be in April unless we can talk about it at the
budget Retreat too if y'all you think you can do this by the first part of March or have it done I think so or yeah
yeah I think cuz we actually all the data is pretty much there it's just a matter sit busting it out and showing it
right if you can send it to me in the next by here toward the end of this month I'd be we'll be good to go when's
our Retreat like sixth or six sth so that's our next informational meeting
we're going to do it on the around the same time we'll do it at the March informational meeting meting
yes okay that sounds good U we want all the information yeah that's a retreat
we're going to do it at the retreat so that there you go the public gets to hear there as well right I'd rather have
it in the public on Monday night no we'll have it on the Monday night too I'm say more discussion yeah this is
just for discussion but they'll be everybody will hear everything we got to hear dur Retreat that way they'll see it
it'll be a video they can go look at it yep all right got a couple more things
we we'll go on to the next thank y'all y'all might as well get out of here it's been uh a long day for y'all and
U I don't think y'all want to hang out with us anymore well get on out of here
for ha can absorb only what yeah brain can absorb only what to e all right rear
can endure